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Family says undocumented student killed himself over fears he'd never go to college – In America - CNN.com Blogs

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I know some of you will see this as one less Mexican running around, but this is truly a sad situation. A young person wanting to help himself and this country killing himself because he couldn't is a sad day.

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fernando-2143457

Hopefully people will see this and speak to their children about suicide and it prevents others from doing the same.

    Reply#1 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:45 PM EST
    paddymurph

    Went to this article to see what hateful bigoted remarks would be posted here. Not a big surprise to see who got here before me.

      #1.1 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST
      my-pockets-r-mt

      Mendoza says that Luna applied to and was accepted at ITT-Tech, Rice University in Houston and Texas A & M.

      Mendoza is his brother. So what is this "fear he would never go to college"? The story just seems to keep growing bigger and bigger, sure being pushed by special interest.

        #1.2 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:14 PM EST
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        kazutam

        You know what?

        Boo Freaking Hoo!!!

        This happened in Texas, where they have in-state tuition for illegals.

        So it had NOTHING to do with his educational opportunities.

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        #2 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:45 PM EST
        fernando-2143457

        Is your life so boring that you would attempt to rile people up about a kids suicide? I will not be deleting your comment because I believe in free speech, even here on Newsvine where our Constitutional rights have nothing to do with the way we conduct ourselves. Have a good one.

          #2.1 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:58 AM EST
          kazutam

          Rile people up?

          Get real.

          Look they are claiming that this young man killed himself over college.

          He was in Texas, where they WILL allow illegals to attend college, AND they even get in-state tutition rates.

          So the whole "killed himself because he couldn't get to college" line is bull.

          I must wonder WHY the family saw "nothing wrong" when this young man got dressed up and walked around the house telling everyone "goodbye" before killing himself.

          Their lack of response is what led to this tragedy, but in order to deflect attention from their lack of response to a cry for help, they instead are trying to gain from this, and that to me is disgusting.

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          #2.2 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:08 AM EST
          fernando-2143457

          I must wonder WHY the family saw "nothing wrong" when this young man got dressed up and walked around the house telling everyone "goodbye" before killing himself.

          Their lack of response is what led to this tragedy, but in order to deflect attention from their lack of response to a cry for help, they instead are trying to gain from this, and that to me is disgusting

          Very good points which I agree with completly, Boo Freaking Hoo makes me want to disregard anything you may say. If you want people to read and listen to your opinions wouldn't it make sense to approach them in a manner that won't anger them right off the bat?

          Have a good one.

            #2.3 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:15 AM EST
            kazutam

            If you want people to read and listen to your opinions wouldn't it make sense to approach them in a manner that won't anger them right off the bat?

            The constant "sob story" approach to stories about the illegals angers me.

            So occasionally it is reflected in my comments.

            The thing that I wonder about, is WHO is putting forward to the young people in today's world that suicide is a viable solution to their problems?

            We have seen an increase in this concerning many issues, being illegal, being gay, being bullied, somebody posting something "mean" on a blog or facebook, etc etc etc.

            What next? I'm gonna kill myself because there is no peace in the middle-east? or I'm gonna kill myself because they don't have the app I want on my iPhone for free?

            Taking a permanent step to attempt to solve a short-term problem should be what is under discussion, yet the article attached to this seed simply does the whole "poor illegal immigrants" story line and actually SKIPS the bigger issue.

              #2.4 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:41 AM EST
              fernando-2143457

              And that is why my first comment was

              Hopefully people will see this and speak to their children about suicide and it prevents others from doing the same.

              I don't think I have ever qouted myself, kinda odd.

                #2.5 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:47 AM EST
                paddymurph

                Fernando. You are wasting your time. Kazutam clearly knows what troubled this boy more than his family. It would never enter his mind that there would be real and tragic impacts upon real people; people who are innocent of any crime or wrongdoing from the draconian anti-immigration laws passed by the bigots in Arizona, Alabama and elsewhere. People like that are more bothered by the idea that some poor Mexican might actually make a life her for himself and his family than they would be angered or upset by a tragedy like this. He probably supports Herman Cain's call to put up a fence that would send fatal electric shocks through anyone who would dare to try to enter this country without permission.

                  #2.6 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:13 AM EST
                  kazutam

                  from the draconian anti-immigration laws passed by the bigots

                  Once again your own PRO-illegal bigotry has tripped you up.

                  The laws being passed in these states are NOT "anti-immigration" laws, they are specifically anti-ILLEGAL immigration laws.

                    #2.7 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:19 AM EST
                    fernando-2143457

                    Paddy-

                    He is just frustrated with illegal immigration. No worries, at sometime he and a lot of people in America were told that they are the cause of our issues. I understand where he is coming from, like I feel that the cause of most of our problems starts with Lobbyists and career politicians. Its very hard to change my mind about that.

                    Hopefully he spreads the word that suicide is not the answer, and someday he changes his mind about the humans inhabiting our country.

                    Thanks for commenting

                      #2.8 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:24 AM EST
                      paddymurph

                      Pro-illegal bigotry? You not only make up facts, you make up non-sensical phrases like this.

                        #2.9 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:52 AM EST
                        kazutam

                        paddy

                        So are you denying that you support illegal immigration?

                        And accuse everyone who opposes it of bigotry?

                          #2.10 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:33 PM EST
                          Dog_Blue

                          patty;

                          If you are so involved with calling Americans bigots then you must have a vert narrow view of the world. When you can come back and tell us you have opened your house to the illegal crowd for allturistic reasons then maybe I would listen. But from the way you go on it's more likely you exploit them for your gain. We don't need more American haters here.

                            #2.11 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:07 PM EST
                            paddymurph

                            If they do need need more American Haters here, why are you here? People like you, with your ignorant view of what really makes this country different from others are the ones who truly hate this nation and what it stands for.

                            Kaz: I do not support illegal immigration. I oppose the hateful, bigoted, stupid suggestions from people like you that the only solution is to turn this nation and, in particular, the border states, into police states to round up the millions of undocumented aliens and deport them. The vast majority of those here without permission live quiet, law abiding lives, like this kid whose death you consider insignificant. They work, pay taxes and generally contribute to the societies they live in. Many have been here for decades and have children and grandchildren who are citizens. I support the approach that most Americans support, even Newt. The focusing of enforcement efforts on criminal aliens and allowing the others to earn the right to stay here by coming out of the shadows, registering and being permitted to stay and work provided they remain law abiding. I know that you would rather see them leave, either uypright or in a box.

                              #2.12 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:19 PM EST
                              kazutam

                              Kaz: I do not support illegal immigration.

                              You sure could have fooled me, and many others.

                              I oppose the hateful, bigoted, stupid suggestions from people like you

                              Of course since you constantly seem to post rhetoric and insults like that it's no wonder.

                                #2.13 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:45 PM EST
                                paddymurph

                                You and the others who think like you believe than anyone who does not support your round em all up and send them home attitude support illegal immigration. Of course, the majority of the nation who agree with me do not support illegal immigration. They simply reject the small minded solutions offered by the right. I do not post rhetoric or insults. Calling hateful comment hateful is not an insult. Discounting the death of a teenager as you and your fellow travelers have done here is hateful.

                                  #2.14 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:41 PM EST
                                  fernando-2143457

                                  We will agree to disagree about illegal immigration and how to solve the problem. Good chat everyone.

                                  Talk to your children about suicide and how it is not the answer, advise your children, be part of their lives, but don't be their friends.

                                  Thanks everyone for the comments.

                                    #2.15 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:44 PM EST
                                    kazutam

                                    Discounting the death of a teenager as you and your fellow travelers have done here is hateful.

                                    I don't consider myself as "discounting" his death, just the reasons that his family WHO SAT AND WATCHED have put forward for it.

                                      #2.16 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:17 PM EST
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                                      paddymurph

                                      I don't consider myself as "discounting" his death

                                      You know what?

                                      Boo Freaking Hoo!!!

                                      Not a good idea to lie when proof of that lie is a half dozens comments or so above.

                                        Reply#3 - Thu Dec 1, 2011 7:49 AM EST
                                        kazutam

                                        Like I said to start Boo Freaking Hoo!!!

                                        So I'm supposed to fall down to the floor and wail and gnash my teeth over this person killing themselves? There's plenty of folks like yourself more than willing to do that for this law breaker.

                                        Sorry I would much rather save my compassion for folks who are citizens or who emigrated here LEGALLY, rather than worry about a law-breaker being sad that they have no future because they broke the law.

                                          #3.1 - Thu Dec 1, 2011 9:24 AM EST
                                          paddymurph

                                          I would trade him as a citizen for you any day of the week. The regrettable accident that caused you to be born inside this nation's borders does not change the fact that you are lousy human being for taking joy in this child's death, regardless of the reason for him doing so.

                                            #3.2 - Thu Dec 1, 2011 5:42 PM EST
                                            kazutam

                                            I would trade him as a citizen for you any day of the week.

                                            Tells me all I need to know about you now doesn't it?

                                            you are lousy human being for taking joy in this child's death

                                            Everybody gotta die of something at sometime.

                                            The sooner you grasp this truth, the better off you'll be.

                                            Now the fact that this young man took his life because someone wouldn't give him something that his parents screwed him out of is NOT my problem.

                                              #3.3 - Thu Dec 1, 2011 5:56 PM EST
                                              paddymurph

                                              It tells you that I value a person based on something other than where their mother happened to squeeze them out. Your character has been on display here and it is clear that there is much lacking in that regard.

                                                #3.4 - Thu Dec 1, 2011 6:15 PM EST
                                                kazutam

                                                It tells you that I value a person based on something other than where their mother happened to squeeze them out.

                                                So just WHAT is it that you "value" about this person that you never met?

                                                  #3.5 - Fri Dec 2, 2011 9:53 AM EST
                                                  paddymurph

                                                  I value that he was not a bigot and did not revel in the death of another human being. That makes him a more valuable person than one who spouts bigotry orwho would write, "Boo freaking hoo" in response to a story of the death of a young man.

                                                    #3.6 - Fri Dec 2, 2011 12:13 PM EST
                                                    kazutam

                                                    I value that he was not a bigot and did not revel in the death of another human being.

                                                    In other words you are making ASSUMPTIONS because you want to argue with me.

                                                    You have NO idea if the person in question was a bigot or not.

                                                    Just as you have NO idea that he never reveled in the death of another.

                                                    You are simply being a typical bleeding heart liberal.

                                                      #3.7 - Fri Dec 2, 2011 5:46 PM EST
                                                      paddymurph

                                                      YOU revel in the death of a young man. You spout bigoted nonsense. You are who I was referring to. I make no assumptions. I have read your comments for months.

                                                        #3.8 - Fri Dec 2, 2011 7:38 PM EST
                                                        kazutam

                                                        YOU revel in the death of a young man.

                                                        And you have absolutely NO idea of what me "reveling" looks like.

                                                        Continue to get yourself upset over someone taking their own life that you have never met. While your at it why don't you cry about all of the folks who die in accidents daily thru no fault of their own?

                                                        Maybe if you spend your time mourning all of these folks you have never met who die on a daily basis, then you wouldn't have time to come on here and spout YOUR bigoted nonsense.

                                                          #3.9 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 8:43 AM EST
                                                          paddymurph

                                                          You live a world of doublespeak. Opposition to bigotry become bigotry in your perverted world. I do not mourn this young man, I hate that there are those who, because his parents brought him across a border when he was child without permission, do not think his death matters.

                                                            #3.10 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 3:07 PM EST
                                                            kazutam

                                                            do not think his death matters.

                                                            I'm sure it matters to his family, or it should and THEY should be the ones being "guilt-tripped" over it, NOT as this article(and his brother) attempt to do and "guilt-trip" the citizens of this country because his PARENTS broke the law.

                                                            You live a world of doublespeak

                                                            Since you are an expert speaker of it and I read your comments(and the comments of those that think as you do) I have no way of escaping that world.

                                                              #3.11 - Mon Dec 5, 2011 3:27 PM EST
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